So, Tucker Viemeister comes up to me and is like, "Hey, you want to go see the oldest corn patch in America?"

"Um, yes."

Click here to listen to Tucker Viemeister, an industrial design icon: co-founder of Smart Design! founder of the NYC office of frog design! and now head of Springtime USA!

We talk about corn patches, where the name Smart Design came from, secret projects, China, etc. etc. It's about 11 minutes/4MB.