posted 02-03-2003 06:01 PM              

I believe the term is "short sighted" as in "unable to see down the road". Or, more to the point; unable to see how today's actions will adversely effect one in the future.

If you are suggesting that designers should not be more forward thinking and/or aspire to be more professional than the population at large then you have settled for the status quo of design and of this discussion board. One day you will want more than discussions of UFO's portfolio, The latest car design or the impending war with Iraq.

posted 02-04-2003 11:37 AM              

It seems that is what killed the discussion. Your use of the word liberal as an epithet of blame and hegemony. UFO's semi-rhetorical rants. Poseurs attempting to be funny. Please I've Id'd them all and quite frankly am making no attempt to limit your opinions or discussions or any of theirs.

Maybe if we aspired to higher, and more lofty goals than selling ourselves and opinions (and not only as designers, but as people) we'd have a better profession to work in.

posted 02-05-2003 07:37 PM              

I thought it ironic that someone so ready to accept the lowest definition of both professionalism ( lets be like everybody else on, say, Jerry Springer?) and design "discussion" ( the sexual innuendo) would make the mistake of using "sided" instead of " sighted". I'm not sure where the litany of "liberal" comes in but really how can you expect to discuss anything if every post is your divination ( sorry I had to use that allusion) of others political views. I think you would find that I indeed have views that you might like to place labels upon. But when I want to discuss them I'll go to "slate" or any number of sites in which that type of discussion is more appropriate. Discussion of Karim Rashid's designs are appropriate but his alleged sexual appetites or even his political views are of no concern and really not of value in design discussion.

In general this board doesn't live up to either discussion or design. My impression is due in part to "foolish" and short- sided" posts from those who don't have the critical thought or language to effectively discuss and, I'll bet, execute design. The sheer volume of "chat" from some implies that they can do nothing else but post ( inane) messages here. This cast doubts not only on how much design experience they are acquiring ( when do they find the time) but it also makes me ask whether these participants have social lives apart from this board and or work. If you are in fact suing for a greater world experience then why discuss non design topics here at all. Live a little and visit other sites or possibly get away from the screen and talk to someone face to face.

In closing, realize your gaff was unintentional and I'm sorry I've beaten you with your own words.

Please accept my apology.

Yours,

posted 02-06-2003 11:55 AM              

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i think general discussion is just that "general." wouldn't you rather discuss politics, biking, ect. with fellow designers than the general public? "designers" are so above everybody else.
so don't you think by eliminating this discussion board it creates the ultimate "hegemony?"[/B]

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No actually I talk about that stuff (ie my interests outside of design) with people who have nothing to do with design.

Likewise I want to have a design discourse with those who have insight into design

Its interesting that you feel a designer would have a specific insight that is different from the general public in regards to non design issues. (I quote: "(W)ouldn't you rather discuss politics, biking, ect. with fellow designers than the general public?") that is hegemonous, elitist, and contradicting your argument.

As far as the politicizing and and attacking of your opinions (I quote:"...oh yea i forgot it's PC to slight a conservative.") since when is an opposing view a "slight" or "attack?" Its a discussion where there is no right answer, no magic bullet no true solution; just opinions, no liberals no conservatives no minorities, no majorities, just opinions....

I feel our arguments have done nothing to secure this boads place in the public eye.

to you sirs, a good day

posted 02-06-2003 11:48 PM              

upset i want to thank you for correcting my english. i know it’s not my strong point. you see, i get paid to design, unlike yourself, your an art critique, one step lower than a teacher. what’s the saying ....if you can’t design then...........
your “gaff” is exactly what your opposed to, yet you’ll (is that the correct use?) pass judgment on others for not discussing “appropriate” design issues. can you say hypocrite?
so..i don’t disagree with you on the “inane messages” comment, but what is the solution? end it? police it? or create accountability? i think the solution is ignore it.... go do something else.

posted 02-13-2003 04:34 PM              

2. "Appropriate" is determined by the subject and this happens to be entitled "Design Discussion".- Even we can not (can't) refute this.

3. The intent of a design board is "Design Discussion"- I am A designer (18 years in November) and would prefer to discuss design and yet here we are talking about the rules of engagement.

and simple...

My god please don't use the old refrain about "those who can't" Unless you are putting yourself up as the poster child (or being ironic)...

"you're" not "your"... again
"art critic" not "art critique"

posted 03-25-2003 06:45 PM              

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Originally posted by crown town:
core 77 you are acting as silly as the posts on this board. designers are not any better or worse than any other profession. to hold a standard higher than the people we design for is foolish and short sided.

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No but maybe we as designers, the envisioners of the future need to take a look at ourselves, a deep look, and hold our own selves to a higher standard of conduct. We are proffesionals here yet many act like litte children. These boards were created with the intent to help one another and furture the development of this field. In this lean time it is needed to help promote it as not to loose any furture firms.