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m unregistered	posted 12-08-2003 08:15 PM I'm currently trying to get into canadien ID programs for September 2004. I'm epecially looking at Emily Carr, OCAD, and Concordia. Does anyone have any opinions as to how these compare? Are there any other canadien schools I should be considering? thanks -m IP: Logged
random unregistered	posted 12-10-2003 05:27 PM Carleton has a degree program with a good Co-Op, although it tends to take a lot of flack for being very 'technical'. Regardless, some pretty great people have come out of it (the fellows from vessel and release1, for instance), so it might be worth looking into. Additionally i think both UCalgary and UAlberta have ID programs... IP: Logged
i am canadian unregistered	posted 12-10-2003 11:25 PM im looking into ID for sept 2004 too... m, which province are you from? i've read in these forums that carleton is a good school, but is more technically orientated. i am very attracted to their value of co-op. and they actually send you stuff in the mail if you ask for it! eciad (emily carr) is more artsy fartsy. i had just sat in on a 2nd yr eciad ID class last month, and it was kewl and all, but very simplistic and elementary. i've talked to the head of design, who did not seem to have a heart for co-op. ive never heard anything about u of calgary or u of alberta. one of them has a ID grad program for ppl who have an undergrad in anything, which is sort of fishy. my friend is in it, and she says it's good for her. concordia has an ID program? anyone have advice on concordia? OCAD i thought was just an art college, but it seems they have started giving out degrees? i know OCAD is a well known skool, but i never thought too much of it. no good reason to though. IP: Logged
m unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 02:36 AM Thanks, random and I am canadian I haden't given much thought to Carleton, I'll definitely look into it. I'm from BC, what school do you think you'll be going to "I am Canadian"?? Your right Concordia doesn't have an ID program, they do however have one called "design Art". From what I understand the program covers image, object, and multi-media. I think one can choose to specialise in object design. I realise this is not the same training as an ID program. Does anyone know about the francophone schools and their ID programs? I'm pretty sure l'universite de Montreal has a program, but I haven't heard anything about it. I'm not sure if it is the only one. IP: Logged
brody unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 04:21 AM i wouldn't choose carleton if the only reason it looks good to you is co-op. graduating with work experience is definately a good idea, but you do not need co-op to do it. if you have what it takes, i believe you can just as easily find an internship position on your own. IP: Logged
brody unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 04:24 AM ps http://www.core77.com/design.edu/naschools.asp IP: Logged
dubmonkey unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 12:02 PM brody, part of the gem of being in co-op is that you can do the internship while still in school. basically you can still be covered by your schools health insurance, you'll be guaranteed to be let back into your classes without having to go through the application process and you don't have to start paying back your student loans. Loan repayment begins as soon as you are not in classes. I would definitely leave emily carr off your list, as you mention it is artsy fartsy. plus if you look at the design firms out west most of them want techical skills not just sketching and visualization skills. (if you can even get a job there) University of montreal has a good program and Montreal is an awesome city. I would have gone there if I were better at french. Carleton is a very good school, don't let the technical leanings scare you. it has a lot of industry contacts and a very good alumni. (both in 'technical' and artsy design, Karim Rashid, the vessel guys mentioned above, most of teknions furniture designers, the guys that design the lee valley tools, etc) OCAD has a good rep too, and as you now know it can grant degrees. It also has a funky building and is right downtown toronto. It looks like your coming out East for ID one way or another. ;D IP: Logged
brody unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 12:59 PM werd, dubmonkey. i forgot about that stuff. IP: Logged
i am canadian unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 07:18 PM oh, i was favoring co-op because i can experience what i am learning. unlike others who may go through their whole degree, then when they graduate and get a job, one may realize this is not for them... sort of helps get out of the school-bubble too, i think. the eciad head of design told me that it is highly unlikely that one would hire someone with no experience for an internship... co-op can help that way too? if i had to choose a school now, i'd choose carleton... but yes, the technical learnings worry me a bit. i dont have physics. who knew high skool would haunt me now! whattodo whattodo? yes, montreal is a great city. but i think you need to be pretty fluent in french to get into the ID program... their entire website is in french, so i cant understand all of it! OCAD is at an awesome location, downtown TO. i havent seen/been in the new building. what's up eastside? IP: Logged
tobot unregistered	posted 12-11-2003 07:28 PM What's the difference between coop and internship? I thought they were pretty much the same thing. Internships are very common in Europe, and you don't necessarily need "experience", but some firms will only take you after a certain level (ie. six semesters completed). And you'd probably have an advantage if you have some skills from prior training (engineer, trades, etc.) IP: Logged
switch unregistered	posted 12-15-2003 08:08 PM i was thinking of going to emily carr next year.. I'm also from BC. Seems as if there are a bunch of negative views on ECIAD? I know it's more on the art side, but if Im more into styling and furniture design, do you think itd be a good fit? thanks for any input IP: Logged
moob unregistered	posted 12-15-2003 10:53 PM carleton input.. carleton tops most canadian design degrees, (first, you get a DEGREE) i chose it over emily carr, humber and all, strictly because it teaches you how to think. Mass pro, maths, sciences, physics, psychology, marketing, ergonomics...some stuff you wont get other places. Alot of work. we dont learn how to just make "things". Its currently undergoing alot of changes now too. IP: Logged
brody unregistered	posted 12-16-2003 01:03 AM as i understand it, the difference between internship and co-op is basically that with internship you're on your own. with co-op, the school helps you find "job opportunities." they'll try to recruit potential employers, do all the paperwork for the companies so that they can receive their benefits for hiring co-op, give you advice on interviews and resumes, and so on. but you must pay the school for being in co-op; at carleton this adds up to about $2000-ish for registration and completion of 4 work terms (4 terms being the required number to graduate with a degree with co-op designation). but there are a number of other benefits to co-op that i didn't say. dubmonkey mentions a few of them in his post in this thread. IP: Logged
scb unregistered	posted 12-16-2003 01:46 AM carletons co-cop is okay, but it let me down. They were only able to find very boring companies in very undesirable locations. I was able to be much more sucessfull finding a job on my own. Carleton is an excellent school, and their emphasis on mass production, materials, and real thinking and problem solving is much different from other schools that focus early years on styling and form. IP: Logged
Canadian ID unregistered	posted 12-16-2003 11:30 AM hey m and switch, im an emily carr grad from a couple years ago, and have positive views of the school, despite the opinions of the east side kids. yes, it is in an art school, but rather than dismissing it as 'artsy fartsy', 'an open-minded approach to design' is perhaps a better way of thinking about the program. all the same, you will come out with the technical skills that you need to start working as an id'er. and, it is a degree granting institution, just fyi. if you run a search, you will find past threads about eciad that might be helpful. if you have more questions, let me know, and i can email you if you want. cheers, mike IP: Logged
m unregistered	posted 12-17-2003 03:41 AM Canadian ID, How have you found life after eciad? Have you been able to work in Vancouver? I have always lived in Vancouver, and though I've traveled a fair bit and plan to travel more in the future, I've always sort of asumed I'd end up back in Vancouver. Should I face the facts and accept that a career in ID just doesn't hapen here? Thanks, m IP: Logged
Canadian ID unregistered	posted 12-17-2003 02:49 PM m, life after eciad has been very good. im not working in vancouver, but that was a choice i made before i graduated. like you though, i would like to return there some day, and dont see that as being a problem. i think that everyone in my grad class that was looking for work in vancouver found it, and some chose to go abroad. i was the last class of ~15 to graduate though...they've expanded the program to ~30, so I would imagine it is more competitive if you want to stay in vancity. but there is no reason to 'face up and accept that an ID career doesnt happen here'...im not sure where you got that idea, because there are lots of designers making a living there as far as i know. IP: Logged
Goglu_ID unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 12:14 AM Wake up canadians! Montreal rocks. I'm applying there next fall and it's a really intresting program You know, Quebec is still in Canada!!! University of Montreal, take a look! IP: Logged
Goglu_ID unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 12:26 AM I'm french canadian, but I lived a part of my life in Ontario. But I can assure you that there's a way to adapt to the language and culture of the school. You can do your 3rd year in an internationnal school of your choice! It's really great! IP: Logged
i am canadian unregistered	posted 01-02-2004 08:44 PM hey switch, if you live in vancouver like a bunch of us on this forum do, have you heard of BCIT's new design program with ECIAD? i heard it's an interesting program that focuses on furniture design. might be something of interest to you. for Canadian ID, i also feel that there are no ID careers in vancouver. i might just be uninformed, but i find it is highly difficult to find any firms to check out or read about on the internet or in design publications. any advice as to how i can find out where these ID careers are in vancouver? (not in terms of finding them for employment, but for general knowledge.) IP: Logged
Canadian ID unregistered	posted 01-04-2004 03:00 AM i havent lived there in a while, but these are some i can think of... industrial design firms: -Karo: http://www.karo.com/ -Form3: http://www.form3.com -Fresh: http://www.freshproductdesign.com/ other places to look: -Dossier Creative (packaging design): http://www.dossiercreative.com/ -AldrichPears (exhibition design): http://www.aldrichpears.com/ -Arkon Networks: http://www.arkonnetworks.com/ -BCIT Tech Centre: http://www.tc.bcit.ca/ -Microsphere: http://www.microsphere.com/ -Bensen (furniture): http://www.bensen.ca/ -Creo: http://www.creo.com/ -Mountain Equipment Co-op -Nokia (though i think only design engineers) a number of designers in vancouver have made careers out of one or two man offices(check the BCID professional members list for a few of these: http://www.bcid.com/home.asp), or by finding design work at relatively small manufacturers. IP: Logged
Canadian ID unregistered	posted 01-04-2004 03:02 AM that last link should be: http://www.bcid.com/home.asp IP: Logged
i am canadian unregistered	posted 01-04-2004 07:36 PM oh, thanks Canadian ID. very informative ) i'll check those links out! IP: Logged

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