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STICKLIZ unregistered	posted 10-01-2003 03:45 PM what is the salary range for jr. IDer in TX? IP: Logged
flava unregistered	posted 10-01-2003 04:41 PM I would say between $32-36K. Does that help? IP: Logged
Philadephia unregistered	posted 10-01-2003 07:08 PM How about PENSYLVANIA ? IP: Logged
flava unregistered	posted 10-02-2003 09:05 AM About $34-38K. Depends on how far east in Pennsylvania, but that's obvious. Keep in mind that for the first year or so you probably won't make that awful much. The bimmer will need to sit on the back burner for a while. Don't let that get you down though. If you keep progressing and learning at a nice steady rate, you'll be close to $50K in 4-5 years, which isn't bad at all. Probably be close to $65-70K in 7-8 years (when you are one awesome senior designer.) Then its' time to decide on whether to move to management since there will be younger designers (who aren't paid as well) coming up the ranks. That's just my opinion though. Don't let anyone ever tell you there isn't any money in this profession. We are getting more and more respect every year. However, if they say they are in it for the money, well, they are lying!! IP: Logged
Philadephia unregistered	posted 10-02-2003 09:40 AM Thanks very much, 'flava' IP: Logged
STICKLIZ unregistered	posted 10-02-2003 12:04 PM I'm talking about TX not PA. Only $32,000? that's it? You gotta be kidding. That's less than a bus driver. IP: Logged
pds unregistered	posted 10-02-2003 04:07 PM Started at 35 three years ago in Austin. Leavin at 48. 32000 at 2000hrs a year winds up being 16 bux an hour. IP: Logged
joe job unregistered	posted 10-02-2003 04:19 PM this person will make more than you. . . IP: Logged
flava unregistered	posted 10-02-2003 04:44 PM Depends on how good you are too. If you get offered something, jeesh, take it! It's tough out there. You will have time later on down the road to be picky. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure many of you are school primadonnas, but put your ego aside and get into the real world. The fact that you were top in your class doesn't mean anything if you can't back it up in the office. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I started at $30K in chicago three years ago and am now at $46K. That's not bad, especially including bonuses. IP: Logged
STICKLIZ unregistered	posted 10-03-2003 05:46 PM $30,000 is too low. like joe job said that lady will make more than us. i think i'll stick with web design. IP: Logged
6ix unregistered	posted 10-03-2003 09:27 PM The longer you stay away from industrial design and aren't getting real-world experience, the more difficult it will be for you to land one later on. My advice is to swallow your pride now, get an ID job you can, and go from there. Shoot, I jumped 6 grand in 6 months, so once you start, you quickly gain ground. IP: Logged
Slander unregistered	posted 10-03-2003 10:25 PM all this talk about making big money...when you don't know jack. Honestly think about how much you are worth to a company...especially is you don't have the experience yet...a smart company hires based on your worth to them...thier not trying to make a million on you..thier trying to run a business which they own and started...and your a junior! When you make the company money...then you make money..it's very simple. Learn fast...and your worth will grow... IP: Logged
DL unregistered	posted 10-09-2003 10:10 AM The real issue for a consulting office is that it is cheaper to hire a designer with 2-3 years experience than it is to hire someone with no experience. Once you factor training, inefficiency and supervision a Junior designer is very expensive -- I would estimate from 30 to 50 persent more expensive than a designer with 2-3 years of experience. So from an owners point of view, except for talent a fresh designer isn't worth more than a bus driver. IP: Logged
Slander unregistered	posted 10-10-2003 01:27 AM I call bullshit on you...young designers can be the best investment you make...finding a good one is another issue...it's similar to going to vegas...you might win big..you might not...either way, you pay them little and work them hard, time will tell IP: Logged
STICKLIZ unregistered	posted 10-14-2003 01:58 PM well said Slander, that's what putting me off from going into ID. i have 1-2 yrs of experience but the money/abundance of jobs (relative to) is better in other 'design' fields. just go to monster.com and type in the word 'designer' in the search box. lets see how many IDers you retrieve. i'd say 5%. the rest are all mech. eng product designer, graphics, ui, etc. IP: Logged
Slander unregistered	posted 10-14-2003 07:51 PM it's not for everyone...but once you put in your time and prove yourself...it's easy runnings from there...possibly one of the best careers you can have. I mean, how many other jobs can you just leave...and move to germany, and you get a job. And then get sick of not making enough moeny...so you go corporate and design 2 things a year for 120k...sounds like ID to me....yipee-kay-yeah...mother f u ckers.... IP: Logged
XMoo unregistered	posted 10-17-2003 02:49 PM "so you go corporate and design 2 things a year for 120k...sounds like ID to me" don't fool these kids. ID salaries like that don't exist. IP: Logged
JohnMFP unregistered	posted 10-17-2003 04:24 PM From what I have seen in teh Atlanta area, and some other states, if you are just starting (first design job and all), expect about $28,000 to $32,000... Its an ugly economy out there. By the way, anybody wanna hire me? lol IP: Logged
passionoldman unregistered	posted 10-18-2003 02:04 PM sorry ....you young people...I good news and I have bad news...the game seem pretty simple to me some of the young designers don't have that much talent..some have talent those people will be notice and will be hired ...and in the long run will get "money" 40k-59k in 5 to 6 yr...the bad news if you want to 75k wait 10 yrs if you are good or became a doctor study for 7 or 10 yrs and make 75k or more... chose 10 yrs of medecal school or 10 yrs of ID work ... money is not everything in life IP: Logged
yatta-popotamas unregistered	posted 10-23-2003 09:43 AM I just finished an internship in dallas TX, they paid me around 3550 a month (that's 42,600 before tax) so that would be pretty weird if a jrDer has to go for around 30k. What a shitty life-style that would be. IP: Logged
Big Red unregistered	posted 10-23-2003 04:16 PM quote: Originally posted by XMoo: "so you go corporate and design 2 things a year for 120k...sounds like ID to me" don't fool these kids. ID salaries like that don't exist. Ummmm....actually they do exist, know some friends that found that nook. It's absurd the amount of crap they get away with, lucky fuc'rs. But they hate their jobs, they look at what other designers are doing and envy the work they do. These guys are stuck with this company, mostly because another potential employer would recognize the inefficiency and doubt their ability to keep up. But it still would be nice...........try the medical or education industrial design fields. IP: Logged
RD unregistered	posted 10-24-2003 08:20 AM As an entry level person, J O B is more important than anything. Experience is what it is all about. Your first job does not have to be your last. I have seen entry level positions from 22.5k to 30k. The money will come if you have the skills and experience. IP: Logged
chubb unregistered	posted 11-27-2003 02:13 PM quote: Originally posted by RD: As an entry level person, J O B is more important than anything. Experience is what it is all about. Your first job does not have to be your last. I have seen entry level positions from 22.5k to 30k. The money will come if you have the skills and experience. you can basically say that for just about any professional job out there. except their starting salaries are significantly higher than ours. IP: Logged
I want money unregistered	posted 11-27-2003 08:04 PM Stop whining. Graphic designer's make less that industrial designers. Look here: http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/CategoryID=186 They are pretty acurate! IP: Logged
foo unregistered	posted 11-27-2003 10:49 PM 30k - if thats american dollars thats ****ing good, thats about 45k aus 50k is about 72k i think you guys are money hungy thats a lot of money IP: Logged
midori unregistered	posted 11-28-2003 06:59 AM geez, you guys earn loads of dosh! are those figures bruto or netto? bruto (before tax) and netto (after tax) IP: Logged
I want money unregistered	posted 11-28-2003 09:13 AM Those are before taxes. Government takes about 1/3. They also include benefits. One thing to note is Americans get very little vacation time. Maxium of 10 holidays (usually less.) You get 2 weeks of vaction time.... and in some cases you don't get it till you have worked at the company for a year. IP: Logged
Stanford PD unregistered	posted 12-06-2003 05:14 PM Just Started at a small company out of college. I am starting at 42 and increase to 45 in 6 months. I am in the DC area. Good-paying design jobs can be found! IP: Logged
SF area? unregistered	posted 12-07-2003 11:23 PM What about Cali? SF area, junior level, what's the average pay? IP: Logged
jobber unregistered	posted 12-15-2003 03:50 PM Be perpared to settle for less money for jobs that are more desireable. Why should a company pay 50k when there are a hundred hungry designers that will do it for 30? Good old free market economy. I got outta school less than 2 years ago and I'm making 60k, its just a matter of finding a company that is looking for something really specific (like somebody who knows about snowmobiles or is great at roto molding). Then there are less people competing for the job and more money will come your way. Find your niche and market it. IP: Logged
blooders unregistered	posted 12-16-2003 05:27 AM money, money, money, if thats what you are in it for, leave now. you guys dont know how easy you have it, try designing in the uk. i know some guys that have started on as little as �10,000 or $17,500. Ive been out off uni 3 months now and i would happily take $17,500, it's better than $00,000. As my lecturer always say on the subject "If you want to design a ferrari, be a designer, if you want to own a ferrari be a bank manager" Oh just so that it does sink in properly, your $17,500 goes alot further in the us than it would in the uk. Happy hunting fellow moaners. IP: Logged
blooders unregistered	posted 12-16-2003 05:29 AM money, money, money. wrong profession boys and girls!!! you guys dont know how easy you have it, try designing in the uk. i know some guys that have started on as little as �10,000 or $17,500. Ive been out off uni 3 months now and i would happily take $17,500, it's better than $00,000. As my lecturer always say on the subject "If you want to design a ferrari, be a designer, if you want to own a ferrari be a bank manager" Oh just so that it does sink in properly, your $17,500 goes alot further in the us than it would in the uk. Happy hunting fellow moaners. IP: Logged
yowza unregistered	posted 12-16-2003 11:02 AM foo-- 30k isn't very good in the usa unless you live in an extremely small town, in which case, that job wouldn't exist. you couldn't live off of it in new york, you could live in the ghetto in boston... in any other medium sized city an efficiency apartment starts at $1000/mo. you're taking home about $850 every two weeks on that salary. trust me. i'm right there. and the reality w/ this economy is that you need experience to even make that much. IP: Logged
autodesigner unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 05:14 PM Try automotive desing, a good jr designer should be getting around 45 to 55k at least. and after 3 or 4 year you should be steping in the 65 to 75k. IP: Logged
D-ligent unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 05:34 PM If your concern is money, you chose the wrong career buddy... besides.... Ecclesiastes 7:12 Wisdom or money can get you almost anything, but it's important to know that only wisdom can save your life. Ecclesiastes 5:10 Those who love money will never have enough. How absurd to think that wealth brings true happiness! IP: Logged
Santa Claus unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 06:23 PM Dont take any of this as blasphemy or offense Firstly : money can save your life, examples are endless please dont ask for them Secondly : money can bring true happiness, but it doesn't always. thirdly : money makes the world go round, unfortunatley forthly : everyone loves a bit of the green fithly: anyway, we are not talking about the love of money only the love of life which is dependent on money sixthly - is that even a word : im only jerkin your gerkin and wish everyone a happy new year with employment for all, ho ho ho IP: Logged
Uncle Jim unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 07:55 PM used to say: "money isn't everything, but it's ahead of everything else" true dat, true dat. IP: Logged
Upstate NY unregistered	posted 12-30-2003 10:03 PM Poverty IP: Logged
"?" unregistered	posted 12-31-2003 10:54 AM I dont know where you found your figures but the IDSA average for the SouthWest (Texas) is $28k-$38k for entry level. The Average Burgerking Assistant manager is 14k... The average Wal-Mart Assistant Manager is 32k-36k...presonal experiance on this one, and the Store or Co-Managers average 40k-50k All incomes are pre-tax IP: Logged
"?" unregistered	posted 12-31-2003 10:59 AM Forgot to mention that the Wal-mart managment staff must work a 60 hour min a week and 70 hours on the weeks before and after Christmas, and the week of inventory. Also have to be willing to move their family to any Store Location with 30 days notice. And moving expenses are only covered once you have been a manager for 5 years or more. IP: Logged

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